and so I hate Israel I hate Brigham Young I hate I hate these biblical
civilizations I uh I'm with the the non-biblical people the people that reject biblical
civilization indigenous Pagan um type uh civilizations because
it's this biblical civilization that's imposed these ideas of of marriage and family and then the family of Abraham is
is at fault so I I think there's a war against both the family and the family of Abraham and that's how you get queers
for Palestine because it's it's all just rejection of of everything that Abraham
brought into the world um so yeah I think it's a rejection of the order of
God right that's what I think it is I me I can I can look at the family and I say that is the order of God that is the
traditional family there's a reason it's core to the West uh but also
Christianity Rusty you're talking about the Book of Mormon to me the difference there because you know you've got you
know and again I'm not as much into the color of the skin of the Nephites and the lamanites I actually don't think
there was a difference to be honest with oh okay but uh I know that that was a there is a uh the difference between the
two every one of the denter groups in the Book of Mormon all of the nephite Des senters
every single group goes to the lamanites they don't start a third party of of
group of anything they don't go nowhere else they are all in with the lamanites
and the lamanites who convert are become become Nephites right so what the real
distinction there is is as Captain Moroni talks about it as he's uh writing
Epistles with Amaya uh am malakiah he says they called
us Christians right we were the Christians and they and and they called us
Christians well why are they calling the Nephites Christians they're calling them
Christians because that's the dividing line right everybody else on the lonite
side that's why they went and went with them they all kept their synagogues they kept their churches they kept everything they might have had different
denominations but they were all Antichrist right all of them were Antichrist and so you don't have a
Biblical Society necessar but you got a brass plate Society right that that that is uh uh
core there and and I think that's what it is I really do I think when you are fighting against the West
yeah you're you're fighting against Christianity and Liberty and and and I think that that is
the motive if I may add Greg so a lot of the woke agenda I'm not saying that we do but a
lot of them tie those Concepts together I'm sure you run across how they call um
you know logic or advanced mathematics or traditional nuclear families white supremacy you've you've probably seen
those correlations so they Loop they jump lump those together right and so it's this idea of white supremacy if you
are promoting these you know Christian values yeah absolutely yeah those
definitely just like they had the Smithsonian Institute for a while there they had they had that in there yeah it
really has nothing at all to do with race but but they that UL ultimately it
doesn't it it really doesn't but they use it they they're they're trying to
make it about race but it but it's not yeah it because it becomes a a tool so
back to your question though we may not view it that way but they do so this idea of the attacks like if that's been
lumped together like for years we were like whoa how how is how are the the lesbian and gay and bisexual Community
why are they getting together with the minorities that that doesn't really make sense but it was part of this bigger
agenda right this woke thing and you know it was the white heterosexual Christian male that was the enemy and
ruining everything in their minds right yeah uh so back to the the the
colonialism here a little bit what uh this is something that that
applies also obviously in Israel Jason right it's it's very much the Jews came
in uh 1940s and they displaced all the Palestinians that's the story and and
now you've got this new very Western Government and and and uh place of
Liberty that uh has has taken advantage of uh
the the Palestinians and those around the state of Israel how is that how is that similar I
mean it's very obvious but how how is that similar to what we're talking about here with the latterday Saints and with with the United States yeah no it's it's
a great question and of course I'm I'm not speaking on behalf of the United States or the church in in the in my
views on this but uh number one you know
Jews have lived in Israel so that's that's one of the problems actually if we were to take this all the way down
the road um from a latterday saint point of view is uh the four holy cities
Jerusalem uh tiberias uh heon um
Beva uh these these holy cities uh in Judaism have always had there's always
been Jews in 1882 that's when the Zionist movement really picks up there's
24,000 Jews already there not not a lot I will acknowledge it's there's a Jewish
there's a Jewish minority there but they never they never left the Jews were always there in the holy cities of of
Judaism uh and there's about 400,000 Arabs so okay so we can see the the the
anger right there's a well there's an Arab majority in 1882 and a Jewish minority in 1882 but what happens well
you have Jews uh wanting to return home and the Zionist movement picks up as
latterday Saints we see the the dedicate dedication of for colonization by Elder
Orson Hyde I also was looking at Brigham Young you know when Brigham Young did this as the place they also knelt down
and they dedicated the W the they dedicated the Salt Lake Valley for settlement for Saints to come and gather
and colonize it's in our history so we're oh well the Jews can't do that but we're allowed to do that okay you so I
mean it's already it was already authorized by Orsen Hy Jewish immigration picks up right now we have
something about seven and a half million Jews and then we have uh also seven and
a half eight million Arabs so you know 1882 400,000
Arabs uh 20 2025 you know almost 8 million Arabs okay that where did the
genocide happen it's the same thing the Jews came in on Prophecy we're going to make this
desert Blossom as a rose and Jewish agriculture begins feeding all the Arabs
so the Arabs start coming in because there's only four 400,000 in 1882 so the
Arab when you're saying 8 million Jason what what areas are you talking about are you talking about Israel Gaza West
Bank and Gaza Israel proper West not Jordan okay yeah about seven
and a half million uh Arabs in the the land of Israel so Israel's feeding a lot
of a lot of Arabs and they're they're doing well economically industry which
my I have a Jewish friend who told me how impressed he was that the motto of the state of Utah is
industry and you know he could see the the Zionism there and uh and so Arabs
start coming in because uh so there's about the same number of Arabs as there are Jews then yes they're about equal in
the in the historic land of Israel mhm um and but there's conflict right
because there's still the desire to exterminate the Jews even though the Arab population has
just you know uh grown exponentially there's still a desire to exterminate
the Jews so where's the settler colonialism at all uh we already have indigenous Jews the Jews are coming back
they're making the land more fruitful for all the inhabitants including Arabs um I I would say that the imperialists
are Hamas and Iran and Hezbollah who are have a religious Imperial idea to come
in exterminate the Jews and take over the land that's the only imperialism or
settler colonialism that I see going on okay so so as a movement then what
what do you think again I'm trying to pull these all together here with this resistance against Colonial it's the
same thing though isn't it it's the same thing as what's happening in the US and what these arguments are against the
church yeah obviously in Israel it's not Christian but but it is
liberty and and and it is God and yes it is biblical and and so there's this kind
of push against that where where all of a sudden those that are settling in
certain areas and again it's only the Jews and the West are are are the oppressors yeah
everywhere else it's okay it's it's not a problem yeah yeah
that's that's kind of the the the nut to crack wh why is it focused on these
uh there I think there's also just the Envy of of success right that the that's
what American primeval is going into and attacking the Pioneers all the Palestine
Pro Palestine people or river to the Sea um you have these persecuted peoples the
saints were refugees the Jews were refugees uh then they go and then they
establish successful economies and civilizations and they actually plant
themselves and so um the the kind of the misery of Satan right I I mean just just
the stiring the Envy of you know I'm going to take down people that have have
uh were downtrodden but have turned things around through self-reliance through industry through building
Zion and uh I want to destroy that because uh I I don't want that to
succeed I I mean that's if you want to get into the root of it I no I fully agree with that I fully agree with that
Greg can I hop in here too yes please so I was thinking about that more and it's
something very interesting I think this would shock a lot of Utah members of the church going along this line of well why
pick on the Saints it's really easy to if you're trying to find a common enemy to distract people and also to Rally
your own forces for your own Ambitions right just like you know you talked about am malakiah but going over the lamanites right to use them as His tool
to achieve his objectives right but um the foundation of the Republican party
they wanted to destroy something they called the twin relics of barbarism are you familiar with this yes and that that
was polygamy and what was the other one slavery slavery slavery right but we
often don't talk about the polygamy piece that was one of their number two things that they wanted to go after
really easy to make the Saints this target to Rally their troops around to achieve their own uh objectives because
they had this common enemy right and yeah when you've got a small portion of people that are doing exponentially
better maybe than they'd be expected to our other groups it's easy to arouse suspicion around them right I mean lots
of people go after Jews for the number of uh the high percentage of successful lawyers they have or whatever else right
or Finance years really easy you know the Mormon Mafia now as they as they were going after Mitt Romney back in
that election I'm sure you remember so yeah they they pointed out were you gonna say something
there no I wasn't I was yeah I think that's exactly right I think it's it's it's it's othering in a sense the kind
of a a pejorative mischaracterization of of a group of people that gets you know
it's just like today you know and I get this every single day but I've got a someone who is you know you get these uh
certain individuals it's not all of them but certain individuals that come in and make comments on the videos right or or
or on on Facebook or something like that and and here's how it starts out right they come in and they say something like
yeah you know I don't know I've just been recently really looking into Joseph
Smith and Brigham Young real deeply you know yeah it's like oh okay yeah I've really looked in and I don't know about
you but what I found is really suspicious and blah blah blah blah blah blah blah right and they kind of act
like they're completely generic they may be a member they may not you know nothing and then by the time you're done
talking to them just a little bit they're basically saying yeah well go off into your cult and go own your own
Planet that's what he said yeah you know and it's like okay so you know for your
true colors I wish you would just start with that yeah but uh it's it's it's it's othering and I I've got a good
friend uh um who's uh he has the Jeff Maka who's got the hello Saints
uh uh YouTube channel and you know he kind of explores things within latterday
Saint culture and and speaking with latterday Saints and you know he says something really important about that says look you know I I I have learned
over the last two years that you can't do that right you have to know people
you have to have a relationship with people you have to see them you have to understand them and you know he'll tell
you you know these are people of Christ they are they believe and they I think they've been born again and I think that
they are um you know they're followers of Christ and so to hear someone like
Joe Rogan who came out last week calling calling uh you know Mormons a cult he's
like you know that makes me really uncomfortable yeah and and so it's it's
easy as a I think that with our history as latterday Saints to have this Exodus out into Mexico to be in many ways
secluded out in the West for so long and and then to have these different beliefs
from from you know Catholicism and modern American protestantism it it's so easy
to to to start chipping away at things that you honestly you probably don't know you think you know yeah you
probably don't really know yeah yeah no and and that's why I I mean
I have a you know a little bit of a colorful angle but I don't look at the
restoration as the restoration of the New Testament Church I think we try to limitate that and then we just say oh
it's just missionary work we just that's all we just did the the the Great Commission go ye into all nations and
baptize them in the name of the father and the Son and the Holy Ghost and that's all the restoration's about no I mean when I was going through the
history of you know and Brigham Young I mean he called families not to go on missions to other countries but to go
build an iron uh to make iron you know
you're gonna you're or you're gonna go start a cattle ranch and your mission is two years and so you you got your start
date and your end date you're going to go here and you're going to colonize this land and you're going to develop it and you're going to build the economy of
the Saints so that we can support all the people coming here together um so so
it helps a lot more then you look at the temple and that you can't understand the
temple and the endow all the ordinances of the Temple from baptisms uh for the
dead to Washings and anointings to endowment to ceilings these are all
found primarily in Genesis and exodus and if you don't know your Torah if you
don't know your five books of Moses and you don't believe in it then the temple is going to look mighty strange Mighty
cultic cultish for me I thought the temple is the most natural place I feel
more comfortable in the temple than I do in a you know singing hymns you know I'm
I'm raised on the the Jewish prayer book The sedor which is a reenactment three
times a day of the of Temple rituals uh and then so I see that and you see the
Reconstruction of of everything having to do with Aaron and Moses and Abraham
and which is the Eternal family pieace but also all the uh the cleaning that
has to happen to become a priest a king and a priest under the most high God
it's all taken from that world and unless you believe in that world the temples you're going to think the
Temple's weird but it's it's not weird at all if you actually are immersed in your your Old
Testament Rusty were you g to say something Jason's a little more PC than
I am so I'm trying to measure how how lay lay it on us all right I went to the St Louis Missouri
Mission and that's where I served and I can't tell you the number of pastors and deacons and assistant pastors and
teachers that I ran into out there and something that I was shocked at early on was how little they know about the Bible
they claim we don't believe in right and and just how ridiculous it is and to
Jason's point right just emphasizing that they they run off and call a cult because their pastors said that and
because they memorize Galatians 1 18 and Revelation 2218 and they're a genius now
and they're going to show us are plays when they don't know the Bible and I'm sure you've seen the re the different um
research that's come out about as a whole members of the church actually know the Bible better than evangelicals
and Prophets P research did it right exactly so just this idea and that's why
I asked earlier well what's a cult right I'm sure I'm sure confident that the early followers of Christ were called a
cult by the uh you know by the Jews who didn't want to follow him at the time so I don't know those are the kind of
things that rankle me a little bit yeah yeah yeah I think that's I think that's very true um I want to move over to
BYU boy we're gonna go from the west and bring young now we're gonna go over to
by here a little bit and uh you know and I've talked a lot about them and and and
you know and again I want to make it really really clear to people because sometimes they get confused I'm a huge fan of bam Young University and and I
support it and I support their mission um but that doesn't mean we don't talk about things to make people
aware of of certain things that are going on and uh so you know you've got a uh uh
Jason your friend and mine you know Jabra Gan was on the program we were talking about a visitor uh that spoke at
the Kennedy Center uh at BYU a few months ago um which was very interesting
he received the humanitarian award uh I think it was the humanitarian award from from the Kennedy Center and for last
year and um he's uh very prop Palestinian he seems to be
Pro Hamas uh in certain ways and and you've
got and and and since then I have spoken to several BYU professors after that
episode that I put out is saying thank you so much for putting out this episode
and exposing the unbelievable anti-israel pro- Palestinian bend that
the Kennedy Center and and and those in the humanities have got over there at BYU
and and so it's like you know this isn't talked about but it's there and you would expect it unfortunately because
and look I don't mind somebody coming in giving a a side to you know this is education give a side to the Palestinian
side that's fine but they're not going to give aside the it for the Zionist that I don't I haven't seen that I don't
see that anywhere um that doesn't mean they don't have work with with with Israel and they don't have you know
obviously you've got the Jerusalem Center and there's there's a lot of work done there I that's not what I'm saying
um but the band is definitely along with the rest of Academia right in a very Pro Palestinian
anti-israel uh uh type of approach uh to the speakers that they
with the speakers that they bring in and the things that they say and so why don't you go a little bit more into uh
the the the guess that they brought in and and and kind of what you've seen in doing a little research there yeah no it
is important and um like you Greg you know I'm I I support BYU I'm an alumnist
of BYU um I I think that maybe now we have a more prominent uh Jew at BYU uh than
myself in the quarterback uh which uh you know by Yeah by and and I love that
and uh I love uh how people are um embracing Jake and and celebrating him
and I think it's very positive in the sense of the the majority of the
students uh that are true blue latterday Saints and Love The Gospel and love the
prophets and love Jake and and love the Jewish people and love Israel uh but but
then when the faculty are not providing uh a balance it can it it it
could very much create a a hostile environment that actually can undermine
Faith um it is true you know I I support the uh the general authorities and what
they did to bring uh Rabbi Ari Burman and Rabbi Maris leic from yiva
University but we have to note that you know those the general authorities
invited these Yeshiva University modern Orthodox Zionist speakers it it wasn't
the faculty that that wanted the is the University people to faculty the Rabel
rousing faculty they want Han almaton they want unra and um you know Jabra has
a whole you know I mean Jabra is a miracle from my point of view you know Jabra a a Palestinian convert to the
Church of Jesus Christ Latter Day Saints to to actually buy into the whole vision of the Prophet Joseph and Brigham Young
And The Book of Mormons the full the full Doctrine I mean Jabra is like a miracle to me I'm like wow that's the
real thing but we're we're not we should nurture more more of that kind of thought that that Jabra has um but the
faculty are you know they have one foot in Babylon and and one foot in Zion or
maybe two feet in Babylon and just they happen to have a temple recommend so they're they're teaching at BYU and
they're paycheck and Zion yeah but the problem with this is they want to go and they want to they want to take a take
down Zionism here's the thing this is why Rusty and I also been thinking about the pioneers and and we saw saw there's
a attack on the Pioneers by John Turner famous Professor of uh who wrote on
Brigham Young um I'm sorry to say but if you want to look at history you want to look at
archaeology you want to look at geneology you want to look at all these other secular domains I mean Jewish
people have a a much more robust claim to the land of Israel than the Latter-Day St Pioneers have to the West
so if you're a a 20-year-old 19yearold Latter-Day Saint and you're like you know free free Palestine from The River
To The Sea and you're getting all pumped up with Han aladun and then somebody says hey look at what Brigham Young did
in American Prime eval you know your faith is gone because the Jews were
always there uh Brigham Young and and that little Vanguard they were the first
Latter-Day Saints to enter into the Salt Lake Valley in the American West there was no latterday Saints there before
there we could go into indigeny and lonit well there were lonit there but they lost the Covenant we could go into
all that but you're undermining you undermine Zionism you're going to undermine
pioneering and uh you could destroy the faith of um entire I mean thousands of
young Latter-Day Saints I'm working against that but there's some faculty uh they're very problematic because they've
just embraced you know secular radical academic theories about settler colonialism and uh and that that's
they're come they're already coming after the latterday St Pioneers so you think it starts with the Jews it never
ends with the Jews they're the Jews are just the Canarian the coal mine of course I Ro you know robustly support
Israel but I also support my my pioneers and and Brigham Young and and uh HEB
Kimble and I identify with them as well so I I'm trying to you know provide some
intellectual ual horsepower uh but it's complicated because these departments
are the ones that make the uh hiring decisions and they've been filled with you know so much secular embracing
people I hope we can get to a point I I sustain Elder Gilbert and uh and the the
the general authorities I think I think we're going to need to get to a point where general authorities are just recruiting and hiring faithful
Latter-Day Saints to turn that university around yeah uh Rusty on that oh I got
you have you looked into these uh some of these guests that they brought in so Jason's obviously the The Scholar
on the nitty-gritty as far as what's going on in the in you know the the holy land and whatnot
I it's at some point and I'm curious if you could put a date on it but at some
point it seemed like there was some sort of shift at at least within the faculty to try to emulate the the prestigious
academic or um academic institutions around the rest of the country right they said hey we want to be like Harvard
we want to be like these guys and and naturally we're going to start adopting those kind of mentalities to these
groups I missed when BYU was proud of being the stone cold Silber school right
and and these things at least that's where I'm I'd much rather have a lower ACT score student going in if they're
intending to be faithful and get married and build the kingdom as opposed to you know I joked while back but the is the
motto still enter to learn go forth to serve is that still the thing yes a while back I joked that uh we should
change it to enter to apostasis and go forth and take other people down with you because that seemed like what was
happening with with a lot of people I mean it got bad there for a while I mean we you know we're in Utah and my my wife
had siblings we're talking about what's going on we had a friend that went through law school and they said of her
friend group that went through the law school only two of them came out as members of the church
so something is happening there that's very Insidious and I think they're making changes right now I'm I'm going
on doing something on that also to follow up on what's been going on here from the Salt Lake Tribune article and then with ELD Gilbert's response and and
and there's definitely changes that are happening I don't know if there are enough I don't know if it's fast enough uh it's got to be a McCarthy like Purge
man well you know the interesting thing is it's it it's got to be policy though too right it's got to be the policy
because I you can get rid of I know who most of these professors are I know by
name right you could you could go in and say okay we're going to take the 24 worst and we're going to we're going to
dump them they're just going to get hired again others are going to hire the same type of person and it's going to come back so you have to make some
changes which they have um and that's that's I I think they're going toward
the right litness test now finally which they just implemented here recently with the family proclamation and whatnot but
uh um I I you know the the issue here is you know looking at this whole you know bringing in the colonialism again you
have a religion I call religion of Academia which is a worldview yes and and it is
diametrically opposed to the doctrine of Christ it is diametrically opposed to
the mission of the restored gospel in the church yeah and and so if I pull something to your point you know if I
pull something that is uh uh uh talking to me about colonialism and now I apply
it and that's it's inevit if I'm looking at White oppressors if I'm looking at old white men if I'm
looking at heterosexual you know and I look at the 15 uh you know leaders of the church and I look at Authority there
and then I look it is inevitable that I'm going to take all of this victim oppressor uh uh um you know
you know uh uh mentality and I'm going to apply it to the church I'm gonna take
colonialism and I'm going to apply it to the church I'm going to take Dei and I'm
going to apply it to the church and all those are are tools to take the church and the gospel
and truth and drop it into solvent that's all it is yeah right and and and
so once you hit those two it's like wait a minute here this doesn't work I either have to
give up on the church or I've got to give up on these other principles that have been given to me so my my vision is
is using intellectual horsepower to support the authority of the prophets
that's that's what we're talking about when you have a prophet a man called of God with priesthood keys that leads
people to the Covenant path in history itself not in the world to come you know
in history where actions were taken that's why that's why there's the target is on Brigham Young now because he's so
robust he's this Abra Amic figure who you know who builds a civilization where
there was hardly any um and and and to Target that right and so we're talking
about how do you look at history and science and Theology and sociology and
AR all these disciplines to with the intent to support prophetic Authority
and that means we also have to defend the prophets of the past um because and
that's what you know you go back I went back to general conference talks from 1997 when it was the SE squence
Centennial of the Pioneers I mean everybody was talking about the Pioneers that because the Pioneers were this
nucleus of faith that and you you can't receive the Covenant path unless you
receive it from that Pioneer generation that's I mean and I knew that from from Judaism because what do we do in we read
the Torah every year because that Wilderness generation of Moses and the
the 12 tribes eating Mana from the sky drinking water from the rock you know
learning from the hand of God the mouth of God that's that Pioneer generation where we absorb the faith of the the
Pioneer generation so you turn against the Pioneers the settler colonialist in the church today we're done for um that
I agree so that's why we're trying to to work on that luckily I I I see this in
the Israel Palestine study and I'm like okay now now it's it's coming after our
Pioneers right here yeah Rusty you guys are let's finish up with this you guys
are uh you've got a podcast called two converts the number two converts YouTube
channel uhuh yep yeah you're both converts uh you guys have talked a
little bit about how uh you're a you're only as converted
as as as as you know the the uh the level of your Zeal to preach the gospel
to some degree right will you talk a little bit more about that what do you mean by that yeah so Elder Oaks had said
this years ago but this concept that the intensity of your desire to share the
gospel is a great indicator of the extent of your personal conversion and that Jason and I are both on fire for
this and we want to do everything we can and you may remember this do you remember when President hinley talked about the three things that every new
convert needed right and he made this comparison to green wood and it needed to be by a blaze in order for it to dry
out and catch fire as well that's what we're trying to do is bring the fire of of conversion to the gospel and help
people develop that themselves uh whether they're looking at the church from the outside in and that's why we a
lot of the angles we take are hey here's how may this may look you know if you're coming from the outside here's where we
arrived at and then also for those that are already members of the church that are either struggling or already strong but want to deepen their uh commitment
and maybe catch a little bit of our fire as we share it did I answer your question there Greg yeah absolutely Jason you want to add anything to that
yeah know I I endorse all that that's I mean that's why Rusty and I we we feel like we're we're we're on that track and
and we're hey let's let's build the kingdom of God like now let's build Zion
um because we're you know we just received it right and so it's fresh it's
new blood uh and and that's the lifeblood I think of of the church and why we keep
we keep doing missionary work because we want we want those those first generation testimonies from you know all
nations because that that keeps the flame alive for everybody else um that's
kind of how I see it yeah you know I I
uh one thing on on my podcast that that I learned very early on is that I'm
going to lean into what I think and and uh controversial whatever
it is I'm going to lean into what I think and and and part of the reason for that is I
there we we can become too polite and hold back and curb ourselves
a little bit because uh we we we either not confident enough with
it or either don't have the Zeal for it or or we feel like we're stepping out of bounds somewhere right
and and I just thought you know this I I can't feel that I I don't want
that I don't want that to be a part of what I'm doing here at all there's so much information out there that is
negative constantly we are bared with all of these things and and so it's like
just get the information out there talk about it get awareness out there and and
I feel sometimes like we we we're in this position in as
as missionaries and representatives of the church where sometimes we we do curb too
much and we don't lean into our distinctions right it's like oh we well
you know well it's just all about following Christ well yes it is we can start with that that's a great place but you know the evangelicals and the
Catholics they follow Christ too yeah what is it about the restored gospel
that is so important what are the distinctions and and why do people need
to know about that and and I think that that's I I hope we can do that better we
instead of and look you're talking about someone who does a lot of interfaith work and so I have to walk in that area
where of Common Ground all the time but if I'm talking about the gospel I am
going to lean into it oh you're you believe in the god absolutely here's why
not well let me kind of show you this kind of how you think and no you know let me show you how we think let me show
you why and and I think that we need to do that more we need to lean into the
restoration does that Mak sense 100% man we Jason and I I don't
know how many times we've had that conversation uh you know one thing I frequently joke about is that it it
really irritates me that I can feel the discomfort and the cringe in a gospel doctr room if I say yes I believe we are
the one and only true church on earth oh you know how did that become uncomfortable for members of the
restored Church yeah you know but I did want to ask you something dc1 yeah Greg
like what what are we here for that was the restoration right uh Greg I think you alluded to this earlier but you said
that you've heard from church leadership when you really attract a a a topic hard
because maybe they would like to do that but because of the position that they're in they have to be careful with what
they say is that correct that's correct so I think that's a a misconception that
lots of members have is that oh the Brethren aren't as strong on that anymore maybe they're changing their
opinion no right like you no they're not you read the words and you read between the lines the doctrines and the policies
are staying the same but they just because they're being more careful doesn't mean that things are changing
and and I think in many instances I'm curious what your take is on that I think when guys like you and us boldly
Proclaim these things they might be doing this in the background because they might not be able to do it themselves
personally I think that that's right for you know I'm not going to speak for anyone there in Salt Lake but I I think
that there is that is true I know that there are leaders of the church that have brought this up several times they
want more people talking I it's funny because you'll get people members of the church that criticize you that they they
may come across you know these types of podcasts or YouTube videos and they say
who are you who are you to talk about this you're not the prophet I didn't hear the prophet say this and and I just
think think that's too bad you know that's really too bad that that you think you're not supposed to participate
in the building up of Zion you know and and and and and and to fulfill a role
here whether it's missionary or knowledge or awareness or support or the
spirit or whatever it is you know because that's not the way the church is built and it it's not about it's not
about looking to one man and saying tell us what to do yeah that that that's not
how it works well there's even so anyway yes I do agree with that 100% I don't
always agree with their strategy I'll be honest I don't always agree with their strategy but you know what they have
their responsibility they can take care of their responsibility but I have a responsibility yeah right I feel I have
a responsibility and I have to fulfill that too so and that responsibility is the same as yours or anybody else's I I
need to Proclaim truth and I need to do it to the best of my ability amen yeah no I what what Rusty and I are are
bringing to the table is we are two we were both young men teenagers who were
not raised in the church going through adolescence and we had we each had to
overcome all of the objections to the church that are thrown at young men that
are not raised in the church because to get to that point of baptism and then to stay with the church
for 20 plus years you have got to do a lot of work it's not through fed to you
and and Rusty and I had to do the work entirely on our own nobody's teaching us
so that's where we got this like pioneer fire because we're just like I got to
learn from Heaven because who's I I we didn't go to Seminary we didn't have parents teaching us you know we get our
six lessons from the missionaries and then we get baptized right but how do you sustain that 20 years on the
Covenant path go to BYU go on a mission marry your sweetheart in the temple
raise your children in the Covenant that's what Rusty are are bringing and it it maybe it we're rough well okay you
know H how did we get to how do we stick in this for 20 years because we're rough because we don't because we are
independent-minded even though family members and Friends throw in objections after us we were stubborn okay well how
do you think we say say to the church for so long because we are stubborn so deal with it and love it so Jason and I
when we get animated we drift into that Coffee Talk voice which you just heard him there going why can't they do
this all right guys where where does everyone find you two converts head over to youtube.com toon converts we would
love to to have you there more more particularly something that we regularly stare Greg on there is that neither
Jason think that we have all the answers or that we are you know the be knees or whatever but when people comment on
there we think it's that aggregation of all these different insights and comments something we regular say regularly says that in the comments that
your little insight may be the piece that somebody needs to complete the picture right to either go further down
the conversion path or to come back in and so we really want it to be an engaging uh platform uh you know we
cover the topics and provide some our insights but we really rely on our viewership as well awesome All Right
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appreciate it pleasure thank you right guys
