Nephite DNA In The Americas?

David Read is certain he is on the right track researching the DNA and genetics of Native Americans and tying them back to the Nephites and Lamanites who left Jerusalem.

David Read's book, Face Of A Nephite - https://amzn.to/3HwC1Hi

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sure if you say "Okay what's your basis for that?" There are times it'll say "I
had no basis for that." So what it does is people you know it's it is an extremely intelligent system
but what people don't realize is when it goes for answers it will go to web pages
that it thinks that are you know reliable and it does a shortcut and it basically just takes a shortcut off of
the you know certain web pages or sources that it deems reliable and will just spit that out and sometimes if that
source will say something it'll say it without knowing whether it's true or not and so then it's just trying to gather a
consensus that's all it's doing yes that's correct so uh so but one of the
advantages of Grock like I said it's it's uh it doesn't you know it doesn't
resort to personality attacks it it's not evasive it's not ashamed to correct you know it's not ashamed to admit when
it's wrong it's you can challenge it it'll follow up so it's good and uh so
with this debate with Grock what I did was I I just took artificial intelligence and I went step by step
step one is mitochondrial DNA hapler group X X2A in particular an authentic
Native American DNA type it's yes step
two where did this DNA type originate says the near east which means
the Middle I followed up let me just interject interject there for a second and most would say the same thing
would you say that most people would say the same thing most if they really know what they're talking about would they say "Well there's other examples beyond
that but primarily that's where HA group X originates from so there's a a a level of of difference
right so the experts who really know the research will admit that it originated
in the Middle East most likely but there's a whole layer below that and that's all of the anti- Mormons and all
the attacks where they say no everything's Asian everything's from Asia nothing came from the Middle East
half the group X came from Asia they say that but that's not actually true if you and even if you get into the
peer-reviewed uh literature and you look at the ones who have tested it most it
will document that it came from the Middle East and the way you know that and in the debate with Grock I I just
said okay how do you know it came from the Near East and it says that's the location where you have the most
diversity of mutations and you have what they call the basal lineages meaning the earliest
in the family tree and then you also have the highest concentrations there so when you look where in the world did
this HA group X likely originate it's very clearly from the Middle East because that's where the there's the
highest diversity the earliest base of the tree lineages and the highest
concentrations and then when I followed up with Grock and I said can you identify where
specifically in the in the near east it says that's hard to do but the first
most likely location it listed was the Leavant which includes Israel so it it really does it
identifies it as a Middle Eastern DNA with a most likely origin being u the
Near East including the Levant Israel but then you it just get into the the debate about the time frames because
what it'll then say is but this was 30,000 years ago and then it'll say then
this is shown and it'll point to Kenowick man it'll point to and it'll say there's archaeological evidence of
the half of group X more than 15,000 years ago but with that one I followed up and I said what archae what
archaeological evidence what direct evidence do you have and the only one is
Kenowick man so outside of Kenowick man there's not hasn't been a single finding more than 2600 years
ago it's it's solely based on the assumed mutation rates and then it's
solely based on on Kenowick man and like I said Kenowick man some of the carbon dating actually puts him in the Book of
Mormon time frames so so you're saying that the the genetic testing on that we
have today there is nothing aside from Kenowick man that we have found that
lived longer than 2600 years ago absolutely and that was one of the questions I followed up with Grock
outside of Kenowick man has there been any other finding of HA group X before sorry X2A which is the Native American
you know line of X has there any been finding outside of Kenowit more than 2600 years ago and it says no
that's that's obviously very interesting because that put that put you back obviously 600 BC and and there's no
findings that go beyond that correct now now as now let me just say I mean as as
and I am telling you Greg this is rock solid i'm right on this so there will be
there will be people that say I'm wrong but I'm telling you I'm right on it okay so so nothing but be beyond 2600 for HA
group X anywhere correct uh well for X2A which is the Native American X2A by the
way what is what is Okay well what about the Y DNA does
that get is there anything beyond that would beyond 2600 years ago for the Y DNA i mean that's going to be different
right because those do are associated also with those that would be
from the bearing straight yeah so the YDNA is the flip side the YDNA is
they're saying we don't accept that as authentic ancestral it must have been
only since Columbus it must be mixing with European since Columbus so with uh
Y DNA the answer is no we don't have any DNA testing proving it in the Americas before Columbus but that's due to in my
opinion due to the posity the lack of DNA testing for it but what you do have with the YDNA
the the YDNA R which is this non-Asian DNA type which is found in Europe which
is found in the Middle East including in a significant percentage of Jews sort of on the 10 to 30%
range what they have found with it is that there are several mutations away
from anything that's found back in the old world several mutations away from anything in Europe so some of the Native
Americans that were tested with this were four to eight mutations away so
more mutations away than anything on the X side uh sorry well but anyway more
more mutations away than what they're basing the X side to say that it's too old but on the Y side they're saying
it's too young so they say the X is too old the Y is too young but yet like I said they're coll-located in the same
populations indicating to me that that they came together and I just don't see a rational explanation for how you would
have so many mutations of Y of the YDNA R1B away from anything that's found in
Europe unless it was an actual ancient uh Native American DNA type now you now you go as far as to say get even more
specific with an R1B1A1 A2
and it well I think it's actually broader than that but but I but that is one of the ones yes that that's one of
the ones that gets most what what does that mean as you add on the letters and numbers to these it's just it's think of
DNA as like a big family tree and each additional one of those is another little branch as it so so you have you
know the R1 family and then you have it's split and you have an R1 A family and an R1B family and then those split
and so it's just kind of denominating your your splits as you go down the family tree as you go down which is each
one of those splits is a different source yeah well it's it's a mutation that happens it's a mutation okay it's a
mutation that happens which will then get passed on to everyone after it
what causes the mutation is it generational like it's a it's like a random viral like I said a mutation
that's they think it's about the the mainstream science will say it's about once every 200 some generations you'll
get one of these mutations that sticks and then everyone out after it sticks there's a whole separate argument
because when they have done testing of pedigree charts to find out how often
mutations happen the rates that they found are more than 10 times what they're assuming with evolutionary rates
so I I think that and I think that that's the actual that what you actually get are mutation rates that are much much faster than assumed that the family
tree is more compressed than what they're projecting as you know a 200,000year family tree yeah to me the
thing that I find the most interesting so far of what you're saying is that there's nothing beyond 2600 years for Heplo X i mean that's for the X2A yeah
that that for X2A that is really interesting because they've had obviously several specimens that they
can pull from and and and yet there's none there that uh that show that HLO
X2A correct that's correct okay um they they have found other HA group X1s for
example in Ohio and Illinois ranging to the 100 BC to 100 AD time frame which
are document the X2A there but nothing more than 2600 years ago nowhere kind of
and that's artificially aged in my opinion what is next what what what are
you trying to push for next or what would you need next to bring this further and support and supportive of of
a Lehi exodus well
um on the actually I've kind of I I'm still doing the DNA side what I've
looked at are some additional types of genetic testing that exist as well so
and I should note that those also show a non-Asian contribution to Native Americans this happens with blood types
with blood types you can see that there they don't just match what was found in
Eastern Asians you can find this with human lucasite antigens which have been tested for genetics those also s show a
surprising level of non-Asian ancestry and then most importantly with the autotoal DNA testing which is where they
test the whole DNA and sort of take little panorama and snippets of it and kind of create a little panorama of it
what you find is that for all of the Americas there is a little bit of
non-Asian ancestry that's generally the mainstream science will generally write off well that must all be from uh since Columbus
and that's a whole separate argument too because for example there's a 2018 study where they started they looking at that
and they said this is a higher a higher contribution than would be expected from
the historical records and then what they ended up interpreting and saying is well there must have been a whole lot
more Jews that came over with the Spaniards and and and uh and excluded
from the testing the anything that showed generations more than 20 generations ago but uh so that's there
there's that and then in particular on that autotosomal DNA testing like I said all through the Americas you see a
little bit more than expected but then for the algangquin tribes where you are
seeing the ha group X and you're seeing the YDNA R you're seeing the autotoal DNA showing half or more non-Asian
ancestry okay yeah so that's that's exciting
stuff what would it take for mainstream geneticists to start looking more at what you're studying what would convince
them at this point what would hard evidence be for them to say "Oh yeah
maybe maybe this looks like it is Middle Eastern in source." Well it's hard i mean you you've got a philosophy
background so you understand how paradigms work and how it can how it can be hard to shift out of a paradigm it's
it's definitely a paradigm and so what you get is when they do the testing for
Native Americans anytime they find something that doesn't fit the you know the Asian Bernian migration theory
they're excluding it saying "Well it must be contamination must have come from the researchers must be contamination." They say so it's it's a
real tendency to force the data to continue to to stick with the theory or
they're not going to get the funding for it yeah may maybe so maybe so but uh so
just like with HLA group X what you need are just uh sort of indisputable ancient
findings but again the problem with that is it's
very hard to get those particularly in the United States because of the um protection to that the Native American
tribes don't want people you know digging up the the skeletons and testing them yeah very interesting i think we're
going to need to bring you back on here and talk about this a little bit more in depth but where do people find you where is
the best place for them to go to learn more about this so I have a YouTube channel called Uncovering Laymanite
History and in that I do the DNA stuff i also look at other scientific evidence
uh related to uncovering Native American ancestry history um so that's probably
the best place like I said I do have a book called Face of a Nephite that could be found with Digital Legend Press it's
also at the Book of Mormon evidence.org website what I have done a fair amount of work with RodMeld and that firm
foundation as well so those that are familiar with that work would see me through there and have seen
presentations I've done we'll be sure to put those links in the description box so that people can click on them and
look at it and purchase the book so David really appreciate your time you've put in obviously I don't know how many
hours into this and and and looking at it and it has been it's it's it's more
than you think over the years it's Yeah it's it's in the thousands of hours well I mean
and it's I mean the key on this obviously is that you're fighting against a narrative so you have to you
have to show very precisely the evidence yeah for this to
to have you know some credibility and to have people look at it and and you've
obviously done that so um yeah and so that is a key part and if I could just
make a comment too sure go ahead uh as you probably know one of the one of the common responses I will
get is uh people who've looked at the the DNA gospel topics essay and they say
"But you know the church has the DNA gospel topics essay and they basically say there's no evidence that there's no
DNA evidence and you shouldn't look at the DNA evidence to try to prove the Book of Mormon." And the answer is that
yes that was the understanding that they had when that essay was written that essay was written by Dr perego and
others and that was the understanding the best understanding of the DNA at the time and I'm not saying that this new
DNA evidence proves the Book of Mormon but what I am saying is that there is additional evidence which is consistent
with the Book of Mormon and I think we can flip that from being a negative a frequent attack against the historical
authenticity of the Book of Mormon and say "Wait a second there actually is evidence and we can flip that to a
positive." That there is significant evidence which seems consistent with the Book of Mormon account of an actual
Nephite Lemonite population that was significant in the Americas and not just something that disappeared and if we can
do that and then obviously it becomes a strength and not a weakness and right that's happened on so many fronts with
the book of moment already right so would love to see that here as well David thanks so much for your time we
will put those links in the description box for uh the viewers and the listeners
and uh we'll probably see you again all right thank you Greg Heat heat