so there's been a lot of criticism about the Mormon Indian placement program in the last number of years and certainly
there are stories where problems are exposed but I've heard from so many people about how positive and experience
this was both for the Foster families and those Native Americans that would
come during the school year each year and be exposed to a different culture Betty LaFontaine my guest here today is
one of those who went through this Indian placement program and she gives us a very detailed
account of her experiences the experiences of her her brothers and sisters and she just has a powerful
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all right welcome to Quick show my name is Greg Matson and I am your host in this episode we bring on Betty LaFontaine who is a member of the a
participant in the uh used to be called the Mormon Indian placement program Betty welcome to the
show yeah a thank you so what I would
like to do is just go over kind of your EXP experience with this there are you know people on both sides of this that
talk about it from looking back there are those that think it was wonderful and amazing I've heard several
criticisms about the program as well but I want to get from you a participant in this a firsthand account of what you saw
with us not just with yourself but with those around you as well and others that you might know can you start off just by
saying how did you get involved with the program um yes but can I introduce
myself as a as an Navajo da we always introduce ourselves by identifying who
we are so I'll start with
that so what I just did was introduce myself by Clans ship we we go by Clans
ship um I'm from the red clay bottom Clan which which is my mother's Clan and
born for the salt Clan Kya an are towering House people and T gen are the
bitter water people these are my grandfathers and grandmothers and this is how I am a the Navajo woman do you
trace that by the way do do you trace that by by your mothers your clan yes we
are matriarchal um and I think the Clans ship I believe
helps to uh connect each other among you know we become
mothers and fathers to somebody else or we we become aunts and uncles or grandmothers and grandfathers and this
is how we're just one big family and kind of like the church does with ancestry you know like a
pedigree okay and and you got involved did you get involved with a program when you were a teenager or like most
do it goes back to yes when I was 10 years old
really young you know when I when I have grandchildren now and I see a 10-year-old or eight-year-old you know
and I look at them and I think how in the world did my mother do it you know how did she let us go and it wasn't that
we were forced because I've heard other people say that the natives were taken
away and forced to go on the lonite Indian program we were not I I never
heard anything like that in my life in fact um my parents I grew up in a home
that was probably no bigger than your living room or your dining room that's
how big of a home we had we had no running water we had a dirt floor we had
no electricity and we lived this in this home crammed into this home nine people
and yeah we had a simple life we had you know the navajos chose to live that way
because they feel connected to the Earth um but we were we were poverty stricken
and my parents were sought out by some missionaries that's a long story in itself but my mother was uh baptized and
this will surprise you we found out after her death and looking through her papers and stuff that she was baptized
by L Grand Richards and that was that was quite an
exciting day for us to hear that she she was the strength in the family when you
say matriarchal the women are they're the Warriors we have the last now
traditional last names of Bot behind it B ah that b means a warrior so my name
is Lina B and I got that from my aunt so they
describe you as as you grow up they watch you grow up and then they give you a name they may name you after a an aunt
if you're female or grandmother you know or your father or mother your uncle and
so on but uh when she was baptized into the church
she had to leave her Traditions behind the culture was there and I was watching
uh what is that Fiddler on the Roof this week and I love the way that he
describes tradition he sings about tradition how yes that makes him feel connected and part of his tradition is
the way he dressed and our tradition is the way we dress I wear turquoise
because this is the way my people dress we have jewelry we have uh the way we
dress our hair's long the long hair comes from wisdom there's always some kind of meaning behind what we are
wearing or how we were speaking or how we address people like I opened up with
uh my clan and I I think about well uh in the Book of Mormon Nephi introduces
himself as I was born of goodly parents I Nephi being born of goodly parents I
Betty La Fontaine the same way I come from this clan and that Clan so with
that my mom saw those um similarities in the way that the
stories were going in the Book of Mormon as to the ways of the people the Navajo people what she grew up with
and with those beliefs and the love in the spirit of goodness that came from
the message of the missionaries she saw that same feeling that she had or had
that same feeling that she had in her heart with the culture of the Navajo people and she was
baptized so you said a couple of things here that are interesting to me number one you said she had to leave her
Traditions behind or or her culture or something to that effect but she left something behind as she was adopting
something else but yet she probably I mean for you it's obviously you're very tied to your
culture you're very tied to your heritage right and so what do you mean by that how does she leave that behind
but or leave her culture behind or whatever I forget what you said actually but well it's it's the medicine the
medicine man and those teachings and going into a sweat lodge for some some
someone asked me and invited me to a sweat lodge once and I said you know my sweat lodge is the temple that's where I
go so those kinds of traditions and uh I
guess holy ways that the navajos or other nations do those are the ones
things that she left behind she wanted to grasp the whole Gospel of Jesus Christ and in doing that she saw the
similarities in some things in The Book of Mormon that were enlightening to her
so she was baptized it seems to me that that would be a little bit of a hurdle for many
Native Americans and also at the same time a bridge right so it's like you see
all of these similarities as you read the book of Mormon for example and it's like okay this is very familiar to me
and and my culture yet at the same time how do I give up what I've already been
given and and and make some of these changes it's familiar but it's not the same right does that make sense yeah um
it's just like any other person who really you know when you're being uh taught the gospel I've been on
trade-offs with sister missionaries and I know that one of the things that they
uh ask and and tell the people and share with them is that you do have to change
you have to quit drinking your coffee or you your smoking your cigarettes or
alcohol intake take any of that stuff to really show the Lord that your your you
know conversion is a whole thing that you're going to let this go to bring on the Light of Christ like that and and I
believe that's the same way with the traditional navajos so okay and when you now were
you in Arizona New Mexico where where were you at New Mexico the four corners of the United States uh we're the
largest Native American nation in the country and we continue to grow um we go
by Blood Quantum uh we are now at a quarter
so you can be enrolled in the tribe when you're a quarter or more I'm
full-blooded when I did my ancestry it came out 98.9% so I'm pretty close to the full
blood um but going back to the placement
program as we were growing up in this house I never saw that I was a poor girl
I never saw that I was a dirty girl because I didn't have a bathtub to clean in um I never looked at life that way as
a child and my parents didn't really push that on us you know and we we grew
up traditional such as get up in the morning and we'd hear the footsteps of our dad and saying Indo J Indo J J
meaning wake up wake up it's time to make your run and we had this tradition
where we would run to the east direction as the sun was Rising we could see the peakness of the of the sunrise but we
would run to that sunrise and we had in our hands a little
pouch of uh cadine which is corn pollen and this corn pollen was to spread on
the earth and also to thank our creator for night's rest for our new beginning
of a new dawn um and this was a tradition that we did but the prayer
wasn't a set prayer a prayer was a prayer from our heart and that's one
thing about the my upbringing is we were taught to pray we we were taught to pray
in the morning in the afternoon at Noonday and then in the evening and it
wasn't a prayer to the Sun the moon the stars this was a prayer to the son our
creator God's son and God himself and I
think a lot of people misunderstand that that we are praying to the Sun or the
moon or the Stars we are praying to the only begotten and uh that's a wonderful way
to grow up I think um and so living in
that home and then here ing the gospel and my
parents partaking of that gospel only was the best thing that could ever
happen in our lives um my older siblings participated in the program
before me and my younger siblings and as I saw them leave and
come home we would leave for nine months of the year school year and then we come back in the spring when we were done
with school I saw the change in them and I saw that
light that light was so
um you could see it and I wanted to touch it I wanted to be like that I wanted that like
myself and they were changing because of what they were living they were living
the goel 100 day 247 a day we did too
but it was more of a balance between tradition and LDS life until uh my
parents were fully converted we can go through life as members of the church
our whole life and not be fully converted and I feel like when my
parents hit that point in their life there was nothing but good and many blessings to come our way as a as a
family but after a few years of my my siblings my older siblings going back
and forth I desired it very much and I asked my parents if I could and at the
age of 10 I was baptized because you had to be baptized before you participated
in the program and I went on the program at age 10 and I'll never
forget that um time that we all got together and it was time to go I would I
went through an interview and I was asked personally if I wanted to go and why I wanted to go and I told them why
that I wanted to to feel the same feelings and to to help my parents by um
by learning the good that's out there because I know there is and so I wanted to participate and they said okay and uh
I'll never forget that day I was excited oh 10 years old okay how much do you
know really young I mean that's really young yeah so 10 year old 10 years old and my sister was even younger she was
eight so she was that day her and I got on that bus it was a bus ride from
crowno New Mexico to Springville Utah and that day was just it was
amazing my mom she was so strong I would be crying and you know just shedding
tears watching my child at the age of 10 and leave she was strong stood there and
just gave a simple wave and we left and I'll never forget that ride
every uh so often we would go and stop at a different part of the reservation and pick up more students and there's
this one particular girl that got on the bus and she was really upset
crying and I heard her you know little uh tears and her nose and
everything she was really really having a hard time but she didn't fight it she got on the bus and then she started to
cry so I sat next to her I went up and sat next to her and I started telling
her stories when I was a kid my mom named me um gleen ABA because my my aunt
was very active she'd run she'd just climb and go hiking and I was that kind
of kid I never sat still I don't know about add then but I I think it was
add anyway um but going back to the
little girl so I sat there and and I just sat by her and I started telling her stories and started telling her
jokes and after a while she was asleep on my lap and I thought to
myself Jesus Christ Christ Our Savior is there for us he loves
us he wants us to grow he wants us to love he wants us to
share and when I held that little girl in my in my lap I knew that she was
going to grow and that she was going to learn and that she was going to See the Light of Christ and I was excited to
experience those things watching my mom stand and so firm and strong show only
showed me that she was doing this to to help our family to help me grow so that
I would grow up to be who I am today I'm not a perfect person but I'm a happy
person because I have the light of the Gospel in my life and I have read the book of Mormon and I have read that we
are an important part of that book I've also studied and re SE Arch and I found
Joseph Smith to have a great love for the native people and I learned that the
first mission of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints was to the Native Americans in this area where I am
right now in in NAU and the spirit of Joseph has really
touched me and to where I I will never deny that he was a true
Prophet because with without him we don't have all these blessings as a
whole in the church right now today that LDS program that Indian placement
program is a genuine inspired program Spencer W
Kimble and um I think it was um George qanan I think it was under um Joseph F
Smith started PR sliding around the Navajo area and saw that there was need
for for helping these lamanites because they saw what the prophecy they know the
Prophecies of the church and and these lamanites here in America and they saw how important that
that it was that they hear the Gospel of Jesus Christ and that they um are there
when the Savior comes again I was participate I did participated in the
Book of Mormon video series uh in Utah
and we did a scene of Christ in America and he walked through while we were
sitting on the on the ground he walked through and and talked to us it was so
real I I felt such a spiritual time that
I sat there and reflected he's goingon to do that again he's gonna come again
and Are My People ready are we ready
we are but some aren't they have forgotten but when they hear the Book of
Mormon and read it with real intent they'll know they'll know and they'll be
ready they'll ready themselves so the placement program was part of my
testimony huge part of my testimony but let me just tell you we'll share with you um the first night so after we get
to the the the church building the bus unloads and all the kids get uh there's
doctors and dentists and people social workers there to help the the students
so we're given physicals and then after we're done with that we all congregate
in the chapel and we wait for our foster parents to come one by
one so my name was called I was nervous of course my name was called and went to
one of the classrooms and walked in and there's my family and I'll never
forget my my little Foster
brother he didn't know me he looked at me with arms open and
hugged me and said hi Betty Welcome to our
family and I just thought wow that's love you
know so they took me and we went to a um
shopping because I came with the m m things not not very much at all I had a
suitcase with pair of jeans socks the bare necessities and my foster mom opened
that bag and she says we're taking her shopping so we went shopping off we went
and uh got a whole new wardrobe in a pair of
pajamas that pajamas mean something so I I'll get to that but um so we went to
our home and my first home their their home was in um Eureka Utah have you
heard of Eureka Utah I've heard of it I don't know where it is well you better
follow Google real close because it's hard to find it's very small it hasn't changed in 50 years so it's an old
mining town up in the mountains um after you leave the valley going towards
Delta it's up in that in those in those mountains so we drove and drove and
drove and I thought when are we getting there we finally get there we go into this house and it had a nice house I was
I I felt like I was in heaven because this house is so beautiful and it had upstairs it had a Stairway my bedroom
was upstairs so we get settled in and it was time for bed
I walked upstairs and my foster mom led me to my bed and she said this is where
you will sleep and she said and you you'll have to wear these so you know the pajamas i'
never slept in pajamas never even seen a pair of of pajamas put my pajamas on and
she went down to kiss me on the head on the forehead and I never had a kiss on
my forehead so you can imagine and how I was like oh boy
but um and she said good we said our prayers and she said good night well the
next day I woke up on the floor so for 30 days or longer I would
wake up every morning on the floor because I slept in my little house on the reservation on the floor and that's
where I felt comfortable but now I tell people I sleep in air bed
so I'm really I I'm so blessed you know to have that
but but uh those kind of things were were were
really a big change in my life but with that family I be they became my family
and my foster dad was like real special to me you have to understand with in on
the reservation the Nao men some of them have well all throughout men and women
children whatever there is alcoholism and it's pretty bad um in in some cases
and my father was an alcoholic and he wasn't he wasn't a he
wasn't pleasant when he was but he he had a problem and we knew it and it was
uh something that we all prayed that he would let go and he would for a little
while but I didn't have that real personal fatherdaughter relationship with him I
just you know I love my dad I loved him for what he was and how he was and how he provided for our family but that real
emotional bond wasn't wasn't there so when I was with these foster parents my
foster dad was a bishop he was a bishop of the ward and he um had a band he he
had a band a country western band and uh he loved to hunt he worked in the
mines there in Eureka and so I would hunt with him I
bonded to him because I hungered for that father daughter relationship and I I shot my first deer
with him wow yeah he taught me how to hunt he taught me how to Bow he taught
me everything about in the mountains how to survive and he's not alive today but
he really meant a lot to me my mother foster mom did too she taught me a lot
but things that are like make baking cookies and and things like that were
just just wonderful but the best part was having family prayer family home
evening and learning the Gospel of Jesus Christ and developing my testimony and
once I learned and knew that the Church of Jesus Christ of latterday saints was true and that the Book of Mormon was
true I I was never afraid to share it to this day I make sure that I do share it
and I stand firm in that and I believe it because it comes from my heart comes
from God so I know it it is true and through developing and learning and
growing in the placement program I say that it's helped me in my life it's practically saved my life it's
helped me gain the testimony that I have and help me to marry in the temple and
to have children born on the Covenant have children go on missions the
blessings are there when you follow the Gospel of Jesus Christ so Betty you were there for seven
years that's I've looked up a number of the statistics in the program that is the average uh for those that are in the
program so you're there from 10 did you stay all the way through senior year in high school then not not there I stayed
there for three years and then I moved to um Salem now each family that I moved to I
learned different things I learned about different ways to live in in modern
society and I learned different ways of looking at the church and I I mean my
personal testimony developing it my second family was in Salem and it was in
a little humble house but it was nice um and it was like he had a farm he had
like cows and goats and sheep and chickens and he taught me my foster dad
there again I was I connected well with him and he taught me how to milk a cow I
never melt milk a cow before I didn't know that that that was possible but those little things like
that just brought me joy to know that I could learn and develop into the person
I am today these people these wonderful Foster families and I get emotional about that
because they were very very loving
kind and just special and just made me feel like a part of the family even the
siblings called me sister I just wanted to read you what my foster sister said
this was my last foster sister her name was Don the Richardson's in Spanish
work she says Betty and I were friends in high school and we talked about her being in the Indian placement program I
asked my mother if we could have her live with us for the remaining two years
of high school which we did Betty would say how much she liked it being away
from the reservation because it was so difficult there and that she liked going
to our schools and being with the church families but he became my sister at that time and
I still feel that she is my sister to this day I still have a relationship with
with my I call her my sister and it was
a I did have a struggle calling my foster parents Mom and
Dad um because I felt like I was replacing my mom and dad sure but but I
I grew to do it I grew to love especially this last family I was with
that sister I just read her about her her mom and dad were my mom and dad I
call them mom they call me you know their daughter and I would go to their family reunions I would go to their
special engagements and things like that so I was part of the family um and there
again I was very close to my dad's always close to my dad's um my dad and
mom have passed on uh but I thank Heavenly Father every day for the
blessing of this program because I feel like it was a sacrifice for them you
know how hard it would have been to send my my own children away to somewhere
they've never been to or never seen people they've never met but my mother's Faith was a huge
part of the reason why we participated and that little light that I saw from my
siblings were now becoming a part of me and to bring that back home and to help
teach her more because my mom didn't know how to speak English she didn't read she was she didn't go to school my
dad went to sixth grade and that's it um but my mom learned the Gospel of Jesus
Christ through missionaries who could speak Navajo and then us the children we
taught her we would translate for her and teach her and she told us one day as
I was going through the temple with her she eventually went through the temple um I was sitting next to her and
all she could do was nod her head during the whole session in Mesa and she says this is all true I
knew this stuff I was just being prepared on Earth to receive it and she
says I have now received it and I will continue to share U my testimony of it
and this is part of the scriptures that she believes in she believed in the
Bible because uh in the early years the Catholics or Protestants came to teach
the the native people that's all throughout the country and our country too and they had special messages
because I believe all churches have a good message of Jesus Christ um the difference to me is that
we just have another Testament of of his teachings here in America and they're
fulfilling um Christ's message by reading in fulfilling Christ's message
we have to read that and we have to stand by um we have to put away our
cultural differences and accept the gospel as a whole in our lives that's
what I believe so Betty when you were when you would come back home for three
months I'm guessing right and then go back to the to the to the Foster families did you look forward to going
back again to the Foster family after the summer or was it hard again and what
effect did having how many siblings went into the program by the way oh there's there was 11 two passed away and then
there was nine of us so all nine of us all nine of you wow did you see a change
of dynamic in your family I mean you talk about you personally seeing this light and you wanted this and be a part
of this when you were young did this change the dynamic of your family and even your parents as as your siblings
were going through all of all of these programs um yeah in in good ways and
also in in bad ways because sometimes um you know nothing's perfect um we do have
that's why we have the blessing of repentance um we have free agency and so
forth but with my siblings themselves I'm the
only one that moved away from the reservation besides one one brother that
did but I'm the only sibling at that time probably 20 years ago I was the only one that left the reservation to be
where I am today in Florida actually I married uh my husband he's uh Chipawa
from the chiua turtle Mountain agency in North Dakota and he moved away when he was a
very young so he didn't grow up around his culture like I did um but yeah the
siblings some of them left the gos left the church you know and and went other
ways and then um the majority of us have stayed in the church and my sister
actually became part part of a um tribal council she's now retired but she was
outspoken woman and she spoke a lot for the the ones that couldn't you know the
the ones that were uneducated elders and she she stood for um their rights in the
in the native or the Navajo government so which I was very proud of her she went to BYU eventually I have two
sisters that went to BYU um a brother that went to on a mission to St Paul um
a very wise uh scriptor person knows the scriptures very well um I like to read
them and try to understand them because I I struggle with that but I know that
they're true I've read them and if I open the Book of Mormon I get nothing
but good there's no way that you can just open it and just say well it's just another book no it it's it's a message
it's a message to us especially today oh my goodness we're living in those days
of the Book of Mormon I believe but um yeah there there there were changes um
my my siblings Love The Gospel there's a couple of us that didn't really grasp it
but they went on the program and but they go they go to another another
church but the church is my brother is very strong he's he's in another church
on the reservation but he went through alcoholism and this church has really
helped him and strengthen him to fight the the Battle of alcoholism and I love him I don't think
of him of any other way he he he's heard the light of the Gospel he's seen it in
his life he participated in the program and I know someday he will he will come
back he went and visited his foster parents I mean he remembers them and he went back to visit them a couple years
ago so I know it made a um
a impact on him in his life so
anyways so here's another question so I know that you know I don't know if you
remember but I've actually spoken to you a couple times and uh and met you personally and and you you are
I I want to get your idea on this thread here this of thought
is you would identify as a I don't know if you'd say a lonite or a lehit or
whatever it might be right I mean you are that is your I I I would imagine you
read the book of Mormon you you believe that there is a direct lineage and Heritage and connection to the people
that are in the Book of Mormon is that correct yes okay yes and
so where are we at right now with the blossoming as a rose and if it is let's
say it is the Native Americans as we say today and and it is North America and it is where are we at and where is it going
and how is it going to happen more and how does the gospel get to these these
nations in in in North America well I think person personally
I've I've been wanting to share my testimony for a long time um and I think
I know there's a podcast out there good friend of mine Andrea yeah I know ands is doing that tribe of testimonies and I
think it's with things like that for the Layon nightes themselves to be involved
in and bringing that message to their people and the example of um this Indian
placement program program is one of those uh connections that we can make in
delivering that message of the Book of Mormon and testimonies of the truth and
those who participated there are some that are happy about it and have done things in their lives to where they're
they've made that change not forgetting their culture because I have it forgotten I know who I am and I know
where I came from I know the story about my people I know struggles um but also know that I'm a
Child of God which is number one on the list of being in these homes is that I
learned that I learned that I am a child of God and that there is a God and what I already knew was true you know that we
have a Creator we just have a different name for him just like in the Book of Mormon with King Loni he KN he he knew
the great spirit he knew heavenly father and so I think the best way that's just for me
myself is for us lay minites to share with other lay minites the truth and to
to to express our own personal testimonies and how we may have overcome
things in our lives to put us back on the straight and narrow you know those
kind of experience we need to hear those um we canident identify with those and
Andrea has done that and she continues to do that I'm so proud of her she's such a wonderful little nav yeah yeah um
well and I hope that that does happen more you know I I it is it is powerful right it's powerful I mean even just here listening to you and your testimony
and and your experiences I think that all of the church is going to be strengthened by
that not just even the Layon IES right I I think that I I feel strength from that perspective
and I always have when I hear uh um you know a Native American in talk about the
church and and how they feel about it they there're it's just a little different for me it's a little bit of a different perspective and it's it's uh I
I think it's very St I think that you the church needs that right you you need
this new uh um blood I guess you need you need the new you need New
Perspectives and new peoples to hear instead of just your own current narrative that you hear over and over
again which is beautiful and great but there is something about Gathering right
the Gathering of of of of Israel and and hearing other stories and hearing other backgrounds and and and testimonies that
I think is strengthening to the whole well you know the church has done
not just a placement program they've sent missionary couple missionaries and I think they even increased the amount
of uh couple missionaries who the reservations throughout the country and I believe that's very a very
good idea because some of the natives uh children are some are suffering from the
parentship motherhood and you know having parents there all the time because they struggle with things
different things on the reservations themselves the social programs aren't there 100% for them you know to fight
alcoholism or to fight drug addiction and you know uh teenage pregnancy and
all that it's it's not addressed as well as I like to see it addressed and I hope
that um you know the the people will realize that and I think sending those
couple missionaries not to address those things so much but to be there to help to help
the people to um those children because it we need to get to the to we need to
help the children realize who they are when you realize you're a child of God
that changes everything when you realize there is a God that he cares for you and loves you that changes everything for
you in your life and it did for me and I know it will for other children um and
on the reservations there's sometimes a lack of that you know and so I love the
fact that the church is um starting to send these couple missionaries there I
remember um there's a missionaries brother and sister Mills they were from
uh woodscross Utah when they came and taught our
family um they he was a farmer I remember brother Mills used to wear uh
those uh Levi suspender what are the overalls he wore those all the time yeah
and his wife would would wear an apron and she'd bake all the time baked bread and break bookies and bring them to our
family with love oh my gosh I remember that so well and I'm so thankful that
they did that because they taught me love and service by doing those things and so
these missionaries that are going down there and being called to these positions I just want to thank the
prophet for doing that because they need that they need that Outreach Outreach
they need that love and service and when you're served you feel the light of love
and I think that light is Jesus Christ's love and you're teachable when you are
when you feel that love and light you become teachable and you will hear you'll be able to hear that gospel that
they're there to teach you and then they started another program a few years back of couples being called to help the
people Garden to learn how to garden to can and do those things and that's
another blessing so the so the church is trying to help the native people on in
all different ways in in the church so I'm grateful for that yeah well Betty
I'm grateful for you thank you so much for your spirit and your testimony I really appreciate you taking the time to do this with us and uh you know get this
message out there I I think you know like Andrea does you know I I try to bring in a lot of different voices that
are obviously not all Native Americans but uh um I think that this is a strength for people I think this is um
um we need different perspectives and and hear different backgrounds and different stories can I play a a quick
flute music that I learn sure absolutely go ahead okay [Music]
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it's beautiful thank you appreciate that fact that the H it's in the Himel now
I'm so excited yes it is it's nice yes well thank you thanks so much buddy really appreciate it thank
you looking forward to um spending some time with you at one of the conferences
yeah yeah I would love to do that [Music]
